updated: March 18th, 2008 / Ross Johnson / 54 Comments

Should we give up wordpress as a CMS?

For a long time I pushed wordpress as a great alternative to some of the common OS solutions out there (like mambo and joomla). It was easy to use in comparison, and hell I knew it pretty well (like most bloggers). I always ran into stumbling blocks of course, but then again it was built for blogging rather than administering a standard type of site.

There are plenty of people who were able to twist and shape wordpress to be much closer to the standard type of CMS. However I always felt like it was too much of a stretch, and it never was terribly easy for the end user to figure it out. Then I stumbled upon textpattern, and it was a much easier way to develop a user friendly system that both functioned as a site and was easy to administer. However it too, was lacking in many ways. The article management was designed to be more chronological than category based, and the selection of what type of content you are going to post was not terribly intuitive.

So then you are back to the big dogs, drupal, joomla, etc… Are blogging engines just too blog focused to do a good CMS? or am I just lazy in that I don’t want to have to force them to do what I want, even though in that situation they can do it well? Chris Lee swears by it, and is building a pretty robust Jquery enhanced site for the agency he works for with it.

I am looking for bigger and better things, and wondering if dropping the one size fits all CMS’ in favor of a Django “fit like a glove” approach. After talking with brickyard mate Brian Kerr it seems the possibilities are vast, and the tools are effective.

Any thoughts? Is wordpress a blogging engine that need not power a site? Why/Why not?

54 thoughts Should we give up wordpress as a CMS?

  1. I have also been looking into the various CMS’s out there and can’t find one that I really think is giving me all I need. While WordPress does fine it doesn’t really give you the true capabilities of what I imagine a CMS would be. Textpattern looks good but looking at the admin interface I don’t think it looks to professional and usable for a client to use. The whole code in database thing has always seemed a bit goofy to me.

    Joomla looks like it offers everything I would want but keeping the code semantica and standards based looks a bit hard because of how it is defaulted and the plugins created for it use a lot of crappy code.

    Drupal looks to me to be the best of the pack but the whole div id=”block block node” crap would have to go. I posted if there were ways around that and was told you could.

    If you have the time I would say go the Django way and get you a decent base CMS that you can use on every site as a start and develope whatever custom widgets you need.

    I also have looked into the Radiant CMS, its a rails based CMS and looks to be pretty cool.

  2. Thanks for the response Dan,

    I have noted the same things that you have about a lot of them. Textpattern actually I have found to feel more professional and easier for clients than wordpress. With wordpress I feel like I am always telling them to ignore major aspects of the post page or ripping out things like the page slug, etc.

    Textpattern seems to fall short in looking at the site architecture, it is just a list of articles sorted by date. There also is no great way to make it easy to post a news item vs lets say, a new home for sale (a problem I am running into now). You have to pick a different section after going into the write page, which is not as intuitive as clicking “New news item” etc.

    Joomla never impressed me, and Drupal seems good but still needs some work to make it semantic.

    Django looks great, but programming is not my strength. Maybe I need to take the plunge?

  3. Wanna nail – use a hammer. WordPress is good for blogging, it’s so good that we started to think it will be good for anything else. But still even the perfect hammer will be bad for hair shaving or for chipping. We have to use instruments that fit.
    Wordpress is good when you want to post, comment and have some mash. It’s bad when you want to sort, extract, serve and deliver. I like to have that hammer in my toolbox – we can mix various CMS’s in one project.

    I think CMS’s will be killed by services like heroku.com or speaklight.com where hosting, cms and platform mix together.

  4. Thats a great point Vike. I have looked over speaklight, good barry, etc… and they seem promising but I always wonder how capable they are considering they are targeted for designers who don’t really know how to do a CMS. Maybe they are so advanced that it will become a be all, end all solution.

    Maybe the best solution will always be something custom, because you can’t make it fit any better for the site than if it was built for it.

  5. Ross, take a look at the article — http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/ibm/library/i-ebodov/
    Note – year 2003!
    Now, in 2008, if we’re still thinking about common solutions (one size fits all), we’re doomed. Mass production, conveyor psychology – these practices have age of almost century (excuse my english). Make your findings – check direction you go. As web enterpreneur, i think designers have to become harsh with developers. They have to concentrate on design, to start thinking in terms of interface, user interaction, usability. I’m sure – almost everything is possible for modern technology, and you designers have to turn to users, not tech. You can easily remember that “50 really good dark designs” you read not so long ago (i just guessed:)). These lists of successful designs repeat all over design blogs. Yeah, they’re good. Now look at statistics – many millions(!) of sites and most of them suck!
    There’s a lot of effective developers, they’ll do everything you want, they will be happy to implement beautiful something (trust me, i know a banch of them).
    Now create.
    Forget cms’s, forget wordpress, create. Create beautiful and useful interface and let them implement it. Be strong, be harsh, insist.

    Please 🙂 we all tired of ugly web.

    And something else about that article — i think we have to listen to our clients needs and deliver solutions perfectly tuned to (or “for”? my sorry english…) them. As you said – everything should be custom.

  6. These are all good points, thanks for the responses Vike.

    Ideally everything is custom, I think you nailed it on the head. Why do anything else, people can do it, there are the skilled developers out there.

    However there always is the question of price. For my clients only a few of them have the budgets to really build a powerful ground up solution. The rest want control but they can’t afford to spend just as much in development as they are the rest of the site.

    Maybe the solution is to put the burden on the companies themselves, should I work to develop the base CMS in house and then customize it for each application? It could be an upfront cost that pays for itself over time.

    But is that how many of these open source solutions started? Someone developed a system out of their own need, and released it to the public. Maybe it is better to learn a system and get developers who can really work it and write custom modules that make the administration as custom as if it were ground up.

  7. Oh, we’re entering the loop 🙂
    If i understand you right, you want to choose by yourself what tools (cms!) it will be. Matter of price, right? You want solution that will bring you profit and try to find cheap tools but that tools must still be able to build a site. The trap is right here — you have to keep in mind time expences. And – heaven blessing 🙂 Let me explain.

    Why won’t you let developer to choose tools? THIS site is very good — you surely have talent as designer. If you entrust interfaces you design to talented developer — he’ll choose right tools as you chose right colors on this site. If it’s needed to be cheap, it will be cheap.

    It’s biblical “Giving hand will not be depleted” (don’t know english Bible, so it’s translation from russian). You’ll get less money, but you will waste less time. If you’re not sure in your talent of developer — your should trust talent of other man.

    Hmm, sounds like answer to your question – don’t look for right cms, look for talented developer.

    About myself, i’m not talented developer, not designer. I talented in getting things done 🙂 So i look for people and share money.

  8. We are currently on the Chris Lee route of making a site out of WordPress, implementing cool effects with jQuery, and running it all from one database. I think WordPress is a very useful tool and much more useful than a simple hammer. I take it as more of a cordless drill that you can change the bits out on to do a lot of jobs. Sure it might not do them all the BEST, but it can be made to do them all.

    WordPress is simplistic, and easy to write plugins and themes for yourself. Plus the wealth of user base provides you with mounds of plugins and themes already available.

    Bringing WordPress to it’s fullest for any site is really the task of the developer to exercise their creativity, organization, and coding prowess to make it do what they want.

  9. Vike that is a good point, effective delegation is essential in any business model.

    Troy I do agree in many ways, wordpress is/can be powerful and it is capable of doing a lot. What I do question however, is it the right tool to be using? Sure you can switch out drill bits and make difference sized holes, but would you use it to cut a board in half? Well… you could, but is there a better tool to use?

    Would for example, learning and using drupal get you ten steps ahead out of the gate? Drupal might be more capable of producing the results you want, better, with less time and hassle invested.

  10. I think the question of what CMS to use, can be turned on its head a bit..asking what does your client need? Some of them are going to need some of the big dogs such as drupal to truly manage their content to its full potential, but that said I’ve seen some brilliant implementations of WordPress as well. If clients are after frequent news updates, and run smaller sites, then WP is the way to go..If they are on more of a par with the size of BBC / CNN, then it isn’t going to get the results you need.

  11. We’ve found that Drupal offers the most flexible and rock solid publishing platform out there. And the new Drupal 6 offers internationalization out of the box and JQuery assisted usability improvements among many other new features. A downside is that file/media handling still leaves a lot to be desired.

    Dan: As for semantics, I believe it’s div class=”block node block-node” where class replaces your id. And yes, it is easy to customize the templates to make them even more semantic than they are out of the box.

    WordPress is a great tool, but as a full blown enterprise CMS it will require a lot more tweeking and customizing than, oh let’s say, Drupal.

  12. I’m currently trying to bend Pixelpost to my whim to make a portfolio site with a back end for a photographer. It’s basically a ‘photoblog’ CMS and isn’t meant to be doing what I’m doing, but it’s working! Spruced it up with some Mootools and hacked the code a bit (Not very fun when your PHP sucks!)

    WordPress is great…for blogging! Saying that it can be intergrated into a small site to great effect, other than that I’m not sure.

  13. Ross –

    I’m surprised no one has brought up Expression Engine yet. Like many designer/developers, I have scoured the net to find the perfect Blogging/CMS tool. I used WordPress to it’s limit and I feel it best for what it’s designed for. I tried textpattern, drupal, joomla, and many others…

    I was completely relieved when I began using Expression engine – the team is private and very community focused and helping its user base (it is the tightest group I have seen backing a CMS in my opinion). There is even more reason to be excited as version 2.0 will be rolling out this summer (Only a few months away!) and has been revamped to be built upon their Code Igniter php framework – this will bring together 2 very strong communities.

    If you have not seen it yet or given it a chance, please do. It’s the perfect tool and can be as complex or straightforward as you want it to be. No limits that I have found yet!!

  14. I haven’t tried expression engine out, but it has interested me as I have herd good things. I always figured it was another textpattern, wordpress, movable type, etc… a blogging engine that could be retrofitted for a full fledged CMS.

    What about expression engine makes it better than the alternatives like drupal, joomla, etc?

    Does it have features that make it easier for a non-techie to administer? (My major issue with textpattern), or is it easy to have it power a non time/post based site with custom types of pages and data? (my major issues with wordpress).

    Thanks for the feedback Collin

  15. I would go and second a vote for Expression Engine.

    I’ve used the free “core” version for some simple blogs, it beats Word Press in many ways, especially versatility. Blogging is just a starting point for EE.
    It is really strong when you want to grow a site and do more things with it. Also I love the way you start by making your static site and then just dropping in some EE tags to make it dynamic.

    As pointed out above it will get another big boost soon. Once EE2.0 is out you’ll have Code Igniter as a PHP framework (open source!) that is on par with cakePHP and Django AND you can drop in your CMS on top of that!
    Now that is what I call versatile.

    The counter argument is that 99U$ for the full version deters some people. All I can say the community and code security more than make up for that. Plus you will be able to do most of what WordPress does with the free core version.

    Angelo Sozzi
  16. As you just posted that message I’ll try to give you a short answer.
    All the stuff you mentioned.

    I just built a site where several people submit information and it looks like a static site (www.ehs.sfu.ca)
    I also built sites that look like blogs.

    You can submit news like a blog but you can add as many additional fields for different templates as you want (not just your standard title/summary/body) check it out for yourself it is really easy to install. But beware the starting theme (no templates as such) looks rather bad. But then you could probably get your site ported to EE in about 1-2h.

    Angelo Sozzi
  17. This post summarizes my current feelings the past 2 months. I have been looking for a heavy duty full blown CMS. I was strongly considering Joomla over Drupal.

    I have a friend who is a EE nut. He sent me a link to the development of EE2.


  18. Every day I find another reason / way to make WordPress do what I want. Fantastic plugins and a great community that supports them being the top most reason. Like most of the responses here, I’ve experimented with other CMS but WP is the closest to ‘one size fits all’ that I’ve found.

    On a quasi-related note, one of the shortcomings I have found with it is that the model for category templates (create template based on category ID inside the theme directory) does not allow for a robust set of functionality where each “parent category” behaves drastically different than another. i.e. Photo Gallery, Blog, Event Calendar, etc all driven from the same database.

    With that in mind, I have started development of a category template enhancement plugin idea which I had last month. If anyone is interested in suggesting potential concepts which fit well with that, I would be happy to develop them as a part if the idea makes sense to me.

    Good article!

  19. Wow, more buzz about EE. Seems that EE might be the secret top contender?

    With all this speak I will have to try out a free version and see where it takes me. It sounds powerful, and the new version looks pretty damn impressive.

    Compared to drupal, it looks like it has a few legs up. Custom fields per section by default (and of any nature, ie: radio buttons, drop downs, etc) which is more advanced than textpattern.

    The $100 per license price tag is notable for anyone footing the bill themselves for a person blog, but it is a tiny fraction of the cost of most commercial websites — seems worth it to me if it is as good as it sounds.

    I wonder how they intend to manage the licensing once it is built on Code Igniter and people have the ability to reverse engineer it or come out with their own flavor.

  20. Please do – let us know what you think! For how long it has been out (stemming originally from “movable type”) I’m surprised it is not as “well known.” Many of the css/web gurus currently run their sites on it – Veerle’s blog for example.

    The thing that most interested me in EE is what should interest you from what you have said – it can be very simple to do general tasks. You literally drop bits of code into a static page and they will generate your blog posts, etc. dynamically.

    This is such a big deal to me because I have felt so constrained with the current CMS packages which you must work within their structure, where EE can work within YOUR structure.

  21. Some thoughts:

    Expression engine isn’t OS and I would never center a business model around something that isn’t (apart from photoshop, I suppose).

    Django (even though I prefer rails) is a great way to build customized CMS solutions, but it will take some more time (at least at first when you need to build an authentication system and an admin panel (django generates this though) but if you make it modular or plugin based you can provide your clients with a tailored CMS to suit their needs, which is of course always good. One major concern is that most clients tend to want really cheap hosting that only supports PHP (and sometimes ASP), which either forces you to talk them into getting better hosting or to host their sites on your server, and the latter can turn out to be a really bad decision. To pull everything off you also need programming skills that many designers doesn’t possess.

    WordPress has it’s short comings, and when the clients half way through a project decides they want more flexibility and the ability to manage more content (especially micro-content such as menus etc) things can get really really messy.

    Since my first contact with Joomla I’ve fled from it as if it were the plaugue, and in most cases it’s like using a sledgehammer.

    I’ve only heared good things about Drupal, so I’m considering either learning drupal or a custom-made rails CMS. We’ll see which path I choose 🙂

  22. Another vote for Expression Engine, it is the class of the bunch. Intuitive templating, great community and support, and enough horsepower to grow in to.

    Textpattern is well done too, and there are a few nice admin themes if you don’t like the plain-Jane look. I consider it a poor man’s EE.

    WordPress is great for what it is, my favorite thing about it is the amazing plugins. I’ve saved loads of time with them, even though hacking the templates can get dirty.

    Just my two cents, enjoyed the post.

  23. But if expression engine is built on Code Igniter which is an OS framework does that quell the fears that at some point it could become unsupported or other proprietary software issues?

    I think the moral of the story at the end of the day is that if you can do custom, well it will always be the best solution for the project (ignoring time and cost requirements, as I am looking at it as the best possible solution in a perfect situation).

    Beyond that you have a series of possible CMS’ that could work in probably any number of situations, however some of them may be better fit for different types of sites.

    I am going to try EE and Drupal some more, see where they get me. Maybe a CMS shoot out could be in the future.

  24. WordPress is good when you want to post, comment and have some mash. It’s bad when you want to sort, extract, serve and deliver. I like to have that hammer in my toolbox – we can mix various CMS’s in one project.

  25. I’ve had great experiences with ModX. It’s extremely easy to create a CMS based site because of it’s template engine. It’s very similar to EE in that way but it comes full out of the box (and for free). The site-based support is a little lacking but the community forums are lively and offer tons of refinement to those who take the time to scour through it.

    I’ll throw in with the crowd about WordPress being a good blogging platform. Trying to make it behave like a CMS is daunting to some. In my experience it can be done but it takes some time to gather the right techniques so that you don’t have to struggle every time you want to use it for a client’s site.

    Tom Leverenz
  26. I really like the idea of WordPress being a CMS platform. I started playing around with WordPress for a few standard blogs, playing with the CSS, and then shortly after I started my own few blogs, and used it as a CMS platform for my portfolio site. I took off the blog posts times, author, more blogger type features and it was basically a cms site to the naked eye. It is SEO friendly, easy to update with new posts or new client projects, it’s organized by categories… Web Design, Graphic Design and etc…

    I have also started to look at some of my past clients or just new clients and say well you want this, and then I try to figure out if I can then use WordPress to do their site, and every client wants full control of their site, so it’s an added feature you can sell to your client.

    I am also trying to work on using WordPress as a Shopping Cart, keep in mind the number of products is no more then 25 but at the same time, if you can design the template and incorporate the Shopping Cart WP-E-Commerce Plugin… your on your way.

  27. Many people have advised me to use WordPress to manage my site, I kept hearing stunning reviews for it. Most of the larger blogs that I frequent use it and it seems a little more commonly used than Blogger.
    Right now I am trying to make up my mind as to what exactly I want and what I am willing to give up to get it.
    I want complete freedom when it comes to style, design and everything but I still want the ease that came with Blogger.
    Still undecided. I will continue to read here as it seems we are looking for the same thing

  28. It really depends on the website. Look at the requirements first and get an idea of the scale of the whole project. Then look at who will be updating the site and their requirements. WordPress works 80% of the time for most sites since they usually have a small group of users that can easily learn to use the admin system. The unlimited number of plugins available make WordPress a very compelling option since you can extend it in so many ways.

    Drupal is a good fit when you require an advanced solution and you can always develop a custom system if the client’s needs are so specific. In that case you can use Frameworks such as Code Igniter or CakePHP to make development time quicker.

  29. A website design is more than just assorting few good looking images with HTML pages. A professional website design process can influence ones’ web presence in a great deal and detail.

  30. Use WordPress for blogs. Get a real CMS engine like Joomla or Drupal for full blown websites.

  31. As Tom Leverenz said, give ModX a try. It’s pretty simple to use, it’s opensource and it’s free. The community is very great too. They also won the Most Promising Open Source CMS from http://www.packtpub.com/ and the next version (0.9.7) should be amazing… Visit http://modxcms.com/ for more informations.

  32. WordPress is a really good solution for small sites. There’s no need to use a CMS just for posting news and few other functions.

    Anyway, if something more is needed, it’s better switching to another solution, like Joomla or Drupal.

  33. I’ve been using Mod-x for about two years now, and won’t use another cms. Joomla and Drupal, while powerful, are often bogged down with horrible un-semantic code.

    Writing new widgets and components for mod-x is as easy as writing html and telling the system what you want to do with it. Try writing anything new for Joomla in under an hour (I dare you), and you’ll find out just how un-flexible it is.

    Mod-x was created with web standards in mind, and doesn’t require much more than some knowledge of html and css, to get started.

  34. I’ve been struggling with the same dilemma for sometime.

    WordPress..powerful, but limited as a CMS

    Textpattern..solid, but limited as a CMS and a bit confusing for clients
    Free, easy to learn (good book available on Amazon), yet understanding their terminology and workflow takes some getting used to.

    Expression Engine..powerful, but confusing nomenclature (everything a weblog?), cost, and it takes a lot to learn the tool.

    ModX..solid, but UI on backend is confusing for clients IMHO. Any work around here?

    SilverStripe..a nice looking candidate that I have dug into a bit, but my host doesn’t support all the requirements (PHP5, etc.) as of yet. It however, looks promising.

    CMS Made Simple..this is great for smaller sites. Easy to set up, but not a robust as I would like.

    Website Baker..again, a great CMS..yet..doesn’t update enough and plug ins are limited.

    Drupal..powerful, but as said in previous posts..a bit confusing code structure / framework.

    I think overall it’s frustrating that there isn’t a really good solution that meet all needs, however..websites vary and it’s really (unfortunately) a different tool for a different solution type of issue.

  35. WordPress is simply amazing and I really like wordpress as a blog or as a CMS as well…

  36. Wow, thanks for the experiences on all those different platforms Joel. It is pretty frustrating that nothing seems to be scalable, and have a good UI that is geared for clients and not developers.

    I still want to dive deeper into drupal, expression engine, and ModX and see if anything can be tweaked to make the experience better for clients/users (my main concern beyond it doing what I want it to).

    Maybe I will do a shoot out here after I have tried them all.

  37. I came to the same realization as you a few months ago (http://lincolnloop.com/blog/2007/aug/31/goodbye-wordpress-im-leaving-you/). I’m using Django now and haven’t looked back.

  38. Just keep in mind that Expression Engine 2.0’s term “weblog” is now being changed so everything will make a little more sense. It is also much simpler for the client to use and the new tab on the bottom in version 2.0 will allow you to add any type of script / html you wish for the client (think training videos to show them how to use the backend).

    In my opinion, the ONLY downside is that it is not free…

  39. Hey everyone,

    I have noticed there is quite a bit of variety in terms of CMS suggestions on this site. I think in the end it depends on what you are looking for and if you are really willing to pay for it.

    Myself personally have been using drupal for quite a while on almost all of my sites and wordpress for any blog I have (which I have just recently begun to learn and am quite pleased with it).

    Recently though I have made the switch to Joomla 1.5 because of it’s clean code and api. Joomla 1.5 spanks the original 1.0 in so many ways and I would suggest it to anyone who is looking to develop a site that is able to grow any which way.


    Kyle Parry

  40. It’s like choosing ice cream. Each, their own flavor.

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  42. Radiant is nice but then I went to Slicehost and people were wondering if you could host one (yes, 1) Radiant site on a 256MB slice. And Media Temple offers only a 64MB Rails container, so if you go with a Rails-based solution, it seems like you have to pay significantly more for that privilege.

    Don’t know how Django compares, but PHP can be deployed anywhere effortlessly.

  43. I just came across a similar conversation about WordPress as a CMS going on here.

    WP is not enterprise level, that’s for sure, but the interface so so intuitive and easy to use that it does make for a nice CMS solution in the right circumstances.

    If I need something more robust, I turn to Drupal. You had a post up about Drupal that I found via your RSS feed but now can’t find on the site. I wanted to comment about that: Drupal is complex, no doubt about it, but it’s also very powerful. To squeeze out maximum benefits however, you need to be able to program PHP, or find a Drupal programmer to help you with deeper customizations.

    I haven’t used Joomla, and was encouraged when I learned 1.5 would be more of a CMS framework, but I was an early user of Mambo. Simplicity in design?! Quite a claim. I dreaded handing over Mambo sites to clients–they never really understood how to use the system and would let their sites whither.

    ExpressionEngine is one I haven’t tried, but there are some very pretty EE sites out there, and I do like the CodeIgniter framework. After reading the comments here, I might also have to try MODx.

  44. WordPress is powerfull and can handle anything you throw at it. Unfortunatley it’s a lot of stress involved in transforming blog to cms. I’m currently working on a blog / cms platform. Hope it will rock the world. OPEN SOURCE OFCOURSE ! 😀

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  46. Maybe I can recommend you Frog CMS as a really flexible CMS. Just go take a look and enjoy !!

  47. Well, WordPress works well for clients that would rather play around with Freewebs than learn how to use a real CMS. We know better but it’s hard getting them to as well.

  48. The other CMS out there are too heavy and complicated. Most clients realize how important search engine traffic is and with wordpress it is much easier to get the ranking you want.

  49. I’m sorry that I joined the party late, but I just wanted to add in my two cents.

    The term CMS is much to general to answer your question. It all depends on what you’re trying to do with your site. If the existing WordPress functionality of Pages, Posts, Feeds, Post/Page/Category templates don’t meet your needs, you have one last option: Plugins. There are tons of plugins that you can use to coax WordPress into doing what you need it to: Gallery plugins, SimplePie for feeds, EXEC-PHP, etc.

    Now if all that doesn’t fit the bill you need something else.

    My problem is that there are just too many options out there. People who swear by Drupal are going to be PHP coders, bottom line. That’s where the power of Drupal comes from.

    I have experience with Mambo and Joomla, however for what I needed, they were just too heavy. All I needed was a way to modify some very simple “pages”.

    If you already have a good working, general purpose “knife” in the kitchen, then you may not need to go buy an “egg slicer”. But again, it all boils down to what you’re trying to do.

    There’s always the option of building it yourself, which is where I think you’re going with Django. However, in there lies many options also: Code Igniter, CakePHP, Symphony, etc. Now you also end up reinventing a bunch of wheels to fit your purpose and believe me, it can get frustrating when time is of the essence and you’re stuck adding WYSIWYG editors and image upload code for clients (all of which can be found in other tools).

    That’s the trade off. For the “power” that you need, you’re going to have to redo certain things.

  50. I am on WordPress now and exploring options of either some how extend the functionality to the extent that suits my requirements, or jump ship. My developer recommends Drupal.

  51. Free sucks. I’d rather pay or a piece of software. Strange I know, but you always get what you pay for. Any thoughts as to why you pay as much as you do for commercial enterprise CMS?

  52. wow i was disappointed to read this post. WordPress is what you make it. As an out of the box CMS its not that strong, but with some simple php knowledge you can completely roll it out as a VERY POWERFUL content management solution.

    I will be launching a couple of wordpress CMS sites in the near future, i’ll bookmark this post as update you guys. 🙂


  53. Definitely a late response, but WordPress as a CMS in the ways that you are speaking of is definitely possible using the new Framework / Plugin: Pods


  54. It is certainly interesting for me to read the article. Thanks for it. I like such themes and everything that is connected to them. I definitely want to read more on that blog soon. BTW, pretty nice design that site has, but what do you think about changing it from time to time?

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